Bringing Out the Best

You feel the pressure to excel and exceed and yet you don’t feel connection or support.
You start to feel isolated and want to give up.
Where do you turn? 
How do you bring out the best in yourself? In the people around you?

Today’s guest, Jeff Sanchez, experienced that isolation growing up and is now all about creating the remedy - for himself and the world around him.  As a leader he uses his skills with systems to actively develop the people around him and create environments that foster both connection and support. 

As one of the top Archery coaches in the country, with many national and world level competitors, his programs are unique as they are intentionally designed to develop the person first, the archery ‘results’ second.  

Stephanie and Maren were engaged from the beginning, where Jeff talks about some of his thoughts and processes for building trust, to the end, where he shares several touching stories about the people who inspired his leadership style.

This is a must listen for every leader, and aspiring leader! 

• 05:01 Building trust
• 13:42 Pushing to be the best vs. bringing out the best
• 16:04 Goals to develop the person
• 22:35 Creating an environment for life
• 27:28 Making work fun
• 32:34 Seeing what can be, not just what is
• 35:15 Wake up call, life is not a straight line
• 38:48 Knowing how your brain works
• 43:42 Advice for leaders

Jeff’s bio is below. To find out more about archery, visit his website www.BowDoc.com. To reach him directly email him at Jeff@bowdoc.com.

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JEFF's BIO

Jeff is an internationally recognized archery coach who is dedicated to developing whole and healthy human beings. His ‘person first’ philosophy infuses every aspect of his programs and its impact is apparent in his athletes.

Although he’s one of the top coaches in the country winning multiple awards including USA National Coach of the Year, and producing many successful archers on a national and world level, his focus is on building up the person first and foremost. He considers becoming a great archer to be one of the many amazing side benefits of his program.

Before becoming a full time archery coach, Jeff lived a lifetime in the IT world, starting as a successful independent programmer and moving through several iterations of leadership roles at some of the largest and most innovative financial trading firms in the world including Global Head of Development for MF Global. Being a part of, and building, successful teams and people around the world has been a major theme throughout his life.

Jeff’s philosophies with helping his students develop into successful and confident people are inspired by some of his own childhood struggles which often left him feeling isolated.  His open and transparent style of communication with his students helps them to be able to expand their own comfort zones.  

Jeff’s own leadership style was greatly influenced by various inspirational role models who taught him to not only surround himself with great people, but to also do whatever

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Transcript

Stephanie Allen: 0:00

Hi, welcome to the Soulful Leader podcast. This is Stephanie. I'm here with Maren and we have a very special guest, Jeff Sanchez. And I was really so impressed with this man. Really in a world where we're so focused on the outer, on whether we're good enough, whether we belong, whether we're achieving or moving forward in our life, it's like we're solar powered, right? Like, we get all our energy from the outer results. Jeff has a wonderful organization called BowDoc Archery, that he is taking that and flipped it saying, you know, that that's really a side effect, let's work with the underpinnings of all of that, so that you become really extraordinary citizens in this world. So, from his own personal story of growing up, you know, feeling the pressure of trying to excel and exceed and yet not feeling that unity, that connectedness with others, and yet so longing, I think, we can hear it in his longing, how he has began an organization that is the remedy and is the solution for his own interior interconnectedness, and how he wants to give and share it to the world. And when I asked him about what does BowDoc his company mean, he said originally, it's like, you know, it was just one of those things that hey, you know, it was available, so I got it, and I fixed bows, and it was kind of nonchalant. It's just, it's such a metaphor of where he was tuning the bow, and the bow and arrow to be able to really stay focused on, you know, our reason for being and what it really does matter... what matters in our life, what gives us fun and fulfillment. And you know, that that's actually what he's doing. He's tuning those he coaches to be able to really receive the guidance from the future that wants to happen, and to really work with that internal dialogue, and so that we're not so reactive in our life but we're more responsive and good people, good human beings.

Maren Oslac: 2:20

He's a very powerful leader, and I'm really glad we got a chance to interview him, he also happens to be my husband, so I am biased, in some ways. In others, I think oftentimes, we take for granted the people around us. And we don't always recognize the great things that they do. And when I see both the youth and adults that he coaches as an archery coach, and all the people that he's impacted, one of the things that I think most about him is that he's a people first person, and that comes through in everything that he does. And you'll hear it in his leadership style and the things that that he says at the end, I just, it made me want to well up with tears. So I hope you enjoy our podcast interview today as much as we did. And remember that you can always find out more and see other people that we've interviewed who have different leadership styles. On our website: TheSoulfulLeaderPodcast.com Enjoy the interview.

Stephanie Allen: 3:33

In a world where we have everything, and it's still not enough, we're often left wondering, is this really it?

Maren Oslac: 3:40

Deep inside, you know, there's more to life, you're ready to leave behind the old push your way through and claim the deeper, more meaningful life that's calling you.

Stephanie Allen: 3:49

That's what we invite you to explore with us. We're your hosts, Stephanie Allen

Maren Oslac: 3:54

and Maren Oslac. And this is the Soulful Leader podcast.

Stephanie Allen: 4:00

Yay! Jeff, it is so great to have you here with us today. I am super excited to hear about your evolution and why you do what you do. And even how you do what you do because I know you do things a little differently. So let's, let's begin because I know you work...actually we'll start with a question. Because I know you work with younger people. And what I'm finding a lot is there seems to be a lot of like, at least the people that I'm working with the young people that I work with, there's a lot of uncertainty, a lot of like, where do I fit in this world? How do I belong? I don't know what my gifts and strengths are. I don't know where I'm going or what I'm doing. What is my value, what is my worth? And I know that's not just with young people. I know that that's kind of pervasive throughout many of us, but in particular, I know that you work with young people and so if you could tell us a little bit about you know who you work with and why you work with and how you got into it.

Jeff Sanchez: 5:01

Ok yeah, sure. I do work with a lot of kids and adults, but our kids program is much bigger than the adult program. And it's pretty amazing the diversity in the kids that we do get, because we will have some kids that come to us that are involved in all sorts of other activities. They excel at all sorts of different things. But we also get a lot of kids that have never really found a home, have never really found that activity, or that group of people, where they really get that sense of belonging. Some of those kids tend to be very shy, or their social skills may not have been as developed yet, because of that shyness, or because of the lack of community that they you know, that they've been missing in their, in their life. So it's pretty amazing when we do run into kids that can thrive within our community. And, you know, that's one of my favorite aspects is building that community where all sorts of different types of people can thrive together. And so those kids that come in, that may be struggling a bit with some of the social aspects, or self confidence, or they've been through some traumatic experiences in their life where they are very reserved, they don't want to open up... they have that wall up. Because it is very hard to build that trust for them to open up to trust someone to allow someone in to get to know them better. So to me, that's one of the one of my favorite aspects of our programs, is when we can kind of tear down those walls, and get the kids to open up, get them to have a voice. Be heard, be seen. And really step outside, you know, or push their comfort zone a little bit further out little by little, so that they gain a little bit more self confidence.

Stephanie Allen: 7:24

Yeah, I was gonna say like, pushing outside of your comfort zone takes a lot of trust, because you're stepping out into the unknown. And if you don't, if you're already aren't feeling self confident, or you don't feel like you belong, there's no friggin way you're going to step outside of your comfort zone. So what do you as a leader, what do you do to cultivate trust? Like, are there certain things that you create or set up in an environment? And maybe there's even, you know, standards, boundaries and things that you put in place that help really create a safe container?

Jeff Sanchez: 7:57

Yeah, well, one of the things, I've been very fortunate to have a pretty diverse background of activities and different things that I've been involved in, throughout my life. Both good and bad. You know, I've had the opportunity from my hockey, playing and traveling all throughout North America playing hockey, at the highest levels, having, you know, gain experience doing that. But also, you know, being in situations where my self confidence was really hurt a lot from playing up in age groups, I always played with older kids growing up. So that's kind of tough when there is an age difference. And you're viewed as like the little kid. And so really, like, you don't get that bond with the teammates, like, you would hope to get. The same thing through high school. You know, quite honestly, high school was probably the worst four years of my life. Just because I went through a lot of bullying in school, I went through a lot of issues. And really, every day I kind of dreaded even going. So there was a lot of experiences throughout those years that have helped me to understand what kids that are having those type of issues, what they will feel what they're really going through. The fact that most kids even in today's world, where there's a whole lot more offerings as far as programs and counseling and people that go to, it's still very difficult for kids to open up about issues that they're going through. Back, you know, in the 80's the mentality was more like, you know, suck it up and, you know, just deal with it. You know, there wasn't a lot, you know, we didn't really have anyone to turn to So, as far as building trust with the kids, the good thing with all the experience I've had is that I can open up to them and discuss some of the stuff I've gone through, that helps them realize that I actually have an understanding of what it actually feels like. Not just telling them like, oh here's a solution that you should try. But you know, without having actually been through some of those experiences.

Stephanie Allen: 10:33

So relate to them, you find that connection? And connect and say... Yeah, I've been there, too... the empathy.

Jeff Sanchez: 10:40

Yeah, so that's, that's one of the biggest things with connecting with the kids is being able to show them, you know, first of all, I hear what they're saying. And that some of the solutions, or some of the processes that we will work on, are from real life experience. And not just like, theoretical. So it is interesting, because with archery being, you know, in the main sport that I'm coaching, it's a very mental sport, just like any individual type sport, you know, a lot, a lot of team sports have more reactionary processes that get incorporated. There is a tremendous amount of mental processes also in all the sports, but the individual sports where it's just you, you know like golf or tennis or you know, archery, those type of sports, it can be extremely mentally challenging. There's certain mental blocks that kids and adults can hit within their sport. And it has to deal with self confidence, it has to deal with anxiety, it has to deal with, you know, just the mental pressures of the sport. And you basically hit these mental blocks that prevent you from being able to perform at a level in which you are trying to perform at. There are some really, really skilled athletes out there. But when it comes time to actually perform when it counts, they can't, just like a performer having stage fright. Right? Yeah, they might be a great singer or musician or dancer. But if they have a bad case of stage fright, when they get out there, they're not going to perform at the level that they can. So we run into a lot of the same things. And I run into several people that have hit those walls. And that's a big challenge then to work on that mental side and work on gaining their trust so that they open up about it. And don't just try to bury it.

Stephanie Allen: 13:03

Yeah because that's the real key thing. And when I've kind of come back with that is like the burying of what you're feeling. The fear, all that do anything, to be able to create a space where you can really talk about it and transform it to change it. Because not only are you doing this in the way of a sport, I think there's also an element that you are making the parallel to one's life too. So it's like you're coaching, archery, but it's more than just archery. Is that right?

Jeff Sanchez: 13:29

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely

Stephanie Allen: 13:30

So that they have transferable skills to, you know, to be able to take out into the world and feel confident and belonging and, and also create trust and relationship in the outer world as well.

Jeff Sanchez: 13:42

Right? So any of my programs. They are all built around social development, building self confidence, respect, and finding happiness in what you're doing. So even when I talk to parents of kids that want to join my program, you know, I always explain exactly, you know, my philosophies, what they can expect, what's expected of the people in my program, but I also do explain to them that archery, even though I'm one of the top coaches, and I produced a lot of very successful archers on a national and world level, that archery is secondary to what I want them to get out of my programs. So I basically say that like archery is kind of like the happy consequence you know, becoming a great archer is more of a happy consequence of going through my program. It's a happy side effect. And building the person, building their self confidence, building their ability to be happy, and to have the ability to use their voice and converse better, you know, whatever it is that they're trying to do, whether it be something at work or school or other activities or other sports- building up the person is first and foremost, and becoming a great archer is the benefit. You get also, but it's not the top priority.

Maren Oslac: 15:17

I love that. Yeah, I was just thinking we just did a podcast, it was either last week or the week before. And we were talking about a people first philosophy in business, right. And it's, it's very rare. Usually we hire somebody for the role, rather than for the person. And that's the same thing that I'm hearing you say of like, most coaches coach their sport, they're not thinking of coaching their people. And even when they are thinking about coaching their people, it's still that kind of pushing to become the best rather than let's bring the best out of you. And if you become a great archer in the process, good for you. And if you don't, you still become a great person. I love that.

Jeff Sanchez: 16:08

Yeah. Even when we're setting our goals, whether it be goals, just for a tournament that's coming up, or goals for the indoor or outdoor season as a whole, there's kind of like a top level outcome goal. And we always talk about how you really don't have control over that. Because it may be that I want to make the podium at a tournament or something, but other people are involved. So you do the best you can, and then you just see kind of where the chips fell. And see if you happen to get an outcome goal. You know, and then the other goals, being the performance and process goals. That's really where we're living, we are living at the performance level trying to become better or healthier or stronger. You know, and then the process is basically what's my to do list to work on those things. So in the same sense that we're talking about where becoming a great archer is kind of like a benefit of the programs. You know, obviously, we're working very hard, and very structured to become good archers, but it's wrapped around the development of the person first and foremost. And, yeah, so when when someone happens to get a podium, spot, or win a tournament, or set a national or world record, it's absolutely something to celebrate. But to me, I always tell them that's the bonus, you know, the learning process, to going to a tournament, understanding yourself better. Because we learn a lot, if we go compete, we will learn a lot about ourselves. And the process of competing and how we react to certain situations. And how we handle certain things we will learn about a lot about ourselves, both physically and mentally in those situations. And if we happen to actually hit an outcome goal and make a podium or do something like that, you know, that's kind of like a bonus then. So it first and foremost, we want to learn at each event.

Stephanie Allen: 18:18

It's so key because you're making a shift in the way that most people, myself included, I can relate to myself, it's like we make the measurements of whether or not we are exceeding like, you know, excelling along in our life by what's going on outwardly, instead of what you're saying is like, yeah, let's work with those process goals. Let's work with the internal aspect of like, hey, you know, how did you react or respond to that? And how do I have to say like, how do people...how do people respond to that? Because it's a different way of thinking and being, because they're like, well, what do you mean, Jeff, aren't you going to get me to the podium? and I want to be better... aren't you going to help me with my skills and my, my acuity and all these different things? And you're like, yeah, that's the by-product. Let's go do, How do they respond to things like that?

Jeff Sanchez: 19:07

Because none of my programs, at least the ones that I coach personally, aren't open enrollment. You have to be invited into those programs and we over the years, we've put more and more structure into how someone gets into my programs. And so we have taken what I've done and started to put it into the other levels of training. So that as they're working their way up, they are already being put into a very similar environment right from the get go. The parents understand what that process of learning is, what's focused on, what's talked about, the parents are sitting right there. I actually like when the parents can hear kind of the deep thought conversations we're having. Because I want them to understand my program as well as possible. So, by the time they get to me, at least now, in its present day form, they already understand what's expected of them, how my programs work, the fact that it is wrapped more around the development of a person, all that kind of stuff. So I don't really have issues with people like, being surprised that the program is run how it is. But the other I guess, good thing we have is a very long track record of producing national and world level competitors that are very successful. So they can look at what our archers have done in the past and see like how successful our program has been for many years. But then also, once they get into any of our programs that are working their way up towards my programs, you know, they get a glimpse as to the type of training they're getting. Especially the parents, you know, most of the parents are basically like, that is the type of training I want my kid in, you know, they can become a good archer, but boy, are they going to become a much better person going through this program. So I tend to have very little turnover as far as people leaving the program. I'm not saying it never happened, but it's very little. Most of my turnover would be like from kids getting old enough to go off to college or something. Same thing with my adult programs. The adults that have been with me have been with me a long time, a lot of them. And then we get new adult students and kids students that come in each quarter. But they tend to stick around for quite a while, like years. So I've had some, I've had some kids that have been in my program since like, literally, they're like, eight years old or something, and now they're working at the shop, they're like some of the best shooters in the country. They're amazing, young adults, and it's just amazing to have been with them through that whole growth process. And, you know, to me, it's just like, amazing to see that.

Stephanie Allen: 22:35

It was like you've cultivated an environment, like you said, your intention to grow. And that's what they're doing. And it's creating that safety and security. And the trust that it's like, okay, it's this is a safe place. And it's not about the outer, they're actually evolving inwardly.

Jeff Sanchez: 22:53

So right from the get go. One of the biggest goals was to really build a community, not just archers, not just like, teach people how to shoot and be, great, you can shoot a bow now. It was, the entire goal, right from the get go was to build a community of people. So that everyone can have basically a huge support structure around them. I understood like that, I would be a big part of that as I was growing it. But I'm just one person... they need more than just me to have a support structure. So the fact that we have built a community of people that individually may thrive pretty well, and do really well. But together, even doing it together with each other is even more amazing to see how they interact. All these people that never even knew or know each other, and how amazing how close they are, how much they rely on each other, and how much they turn to each other. Is to me, is just amazing to sit back and watch.

Maren Oslac: 24:16

From the outside... I'm kind of in it, and I'm kind of outside of it. Right? So I observe it because I'm not a regular coach. And one of the things that I see is the development of both the kids in the program and their parents. And like he said the community that has been created is one of the most amazing communities I've ever been a part of where everybody does support each other and they take responsibility. It's so beautiful to watch a 15 year old young man take responsibility not only for himself, but for like... because Jeff has... What do you call the the team leaders?

Jeff Sanchez: 25:04

The captains.

Maren Oslac: 25:05

The captains, he has captains for each of the teams. And it's somebody, it's a youth and or an adult on in the adult class. So when you see somebody who's 12, or 15, who's taking a leadership role, and doing a beautiful job of it, and then when they feel stuck, they don't do what most of us as leaders do, which is oh, I should already know that. No, they turn around and they ask, they ask a question. And they're learning that from that young age, and it's, that's one of the things that I love is watching these young adults just come to life where before they were in the program, they would completely like withdraw into themselves or into their shell and they're starting to come out. And, you know, he has them once a year, he does a thing where, you know, they perform, and they bring their other skills, and they all sing too, it's like, it's crazy, the amount of things that they do together, it's just and because they're choosing to, outside of the program, they actually choose to hang out with each other.

Stephanie Allen: 26:14

Yeah, well, it's a chosen family where you feel safe. And it's not a dysfunctional family. It's one that allows you to grow and learn and evolve and celebrate each other's success. It's like, I hear like, the competition, like it transcends the scarcity mentality around, you and me, or that separation, and like you said, you want to make that collaborative. It's like, it's a new way of turning that competition inwardly of saying... okay, what's changed in me? What do I need to move within myself? Or where do I need to ask for help? Because if I don't, I'm going to be the same or worse next year, like it's like, internally. So it's, it's flipping competition to an inward place rather than an outer. And then it's like... Hey, look at that. I did pretty good in the outer world, too. How about that? But that's the secondary, I like that. It's a second. Because our world is so created, isn't it, like to value who you are, by what you do, and the awards that you've made? And the, you know, the outer, the other representation, rather than who you are as a being. And I think that's what I hear you're trying to shift is that, change that outer paradigm, that outer narrative, to upgrading the internal narrative?

Jeff Sanchez: 27:28

Yeah, like once in a while, we will have a couple of big whiteboards up in class. And we'll put a bunch of words on the board to describe why we work so hard on things. And we'll get a bunch of words up there, like, for consistency, for stability, for accuracy, for repeatability, you know, all the different things we work on what form and structure with our shooting and everything like that. And you know, one of the things, I'll normally leave a blank space in the middle of all these words, you know, and put at the end, like if no one has said it, and put the word fun in there. Because we do work really hard, you know, on our shooting, and it tends to show at the tournaments and what people are able to do. But we actually have a lot of fun doing it. Because we incorporate many different aspects of training, we do a lot of different activities that have nothing to do with archery, we do homework that have nothing to do with archery, we do community service events, you know, have outings, like the captain, I leave it up to the captains to schedule outings, you know, we all might go rollerskating or we all might go, you know, wherever... or go to a karaoke place, and whatever it is, and, you know, it gets back to building the community up. And so when the people come in, and I know it's that way, for me, you know, like Mondays and Tuesdays are kind of my main days for my programs. And like, I really really look forward to those days, which I'm very fortunate because a lot of people you know, that have other types of jobs or something else. Sometimes they don't quite have something to look forward to necessarily. So I really, really look forward to those groups. And so, when I see that they are interacting outside of archery, or I see them applying some of the life skills more than just archery skills to other aspects of other teams are on or other activities or at home or whatever. Or I see that their ability to open up and converse and be heard and seen is increasing, you know, all those things just really validate what we're doing. So it's to me, like, when I can just kind of step back and watch the groups, you know, they're big enough. I mean, there's a lot of people. But even when we're at a tournament, and we have, you know, 30 or 40 people on a tournament and stuff, it is so nice, just to kind of be in the background, and seeing them interact, seeing how they're interacting with each other, the other competitors, you know, and the adults and the kids how they're supporting each other, seeking each other out to go cheer him on all these different things. And it's not me having to tell them, go do this, go do this, go do this. It's just part of their community now just to do it. So that to me, that's just an amazing aspect of it.

Maren Oslac: 30:56

So one of the things that I know about you is that you're very structure based. For those of you who have kind of followed us along for a while you know, that we do something called wealth dynamics. And in the wealth dynamics, profiling, Jeff is what's called a lord. And lords are systems people. So as I am hearing you talking, it sounds like oh, it just happened, all these people came together and isn't it lovely, and we've created this beautiful community? And what I know is there was a lot of process and systems and a lot of thought that went into designing it intentionally to be what it is today. Is there anything from that analytical side of you, that you wanted to say about kind of like, what went into... kind of the thought process of building what it what is now become?

Jeff Sanchez: 32:04

Yeah, I was actually giving that some thought of like, if I was going to try to explain where some of those Lord aspects come into play. Part of what I was thinking about, is basically, you know, it is well even just go beyond just the basic like planning and trying to figure out what I want to build and how I'm going to build it and stuff. Part of what has helped me from my Lord profile is really being able to see in people in processes and situations or whatever the "What Can Be". Instead of just "The What is"

Maren Oslac: 32:54

I love that.

Jeff Sanchez: 32:55

So that.. I was trying to think of, like, if there was an underlying theme to a lot of the processes or the community or the thing that I've built, and the thing that I have in my head to plan out, you know, that "What can Be" is a really big aspect of it. And then kind of if you go back to what we mentioned a little bit earlier about the goals, you know, if what can be is a performance goal of what am I trying to build, accomplish, do all these type of things. But then really, where the processes come in from the Lord perspective and the planning, and, you know, gathering data nuggets and puzzle pieces, and just keeping them up in my head or in notes or whatever, so that at some point, they're very useful for what I want to do. But that's basically you know, the Lord, you know, processes will create then the To Do lists, you know, and what, what actually has to happen when it has to happen. So you may be gathering all sorts of data, all sorts of information, little pieces of what you want to do, that may not be necessary, at least in the present. But you're always building those pieces up till by the time they're needed, you already have made so much progress on those aspects. Beyond that, you're not being as reactionary and that's, I guess, one of the things I guess the Lord profile, you know, what helps me with is to not be too reactionary. Because we're always trying to see what's down the road, what's coming up, what, you know, how we are trying to create certain things. And all those pieces of the puzzle are falling into place in the background that no one sees anyway,

Stephanie Allen: 34:55

So that I was just gonna say it sounds like you're tracking those pieces of the puzzle and researching them and gathering them and until you have enough of those pieces, and then you start to see the patterns, then you know what to do from there, instead of reacting 'oh yeah, let's do this,' It's, well thought out.

Jeff Sanchez: 35:15

Yeah, and like even getting my program started. It was back in 2013, I had a pretty severe heart attack. And it was obviously life changing to me, in many ways, but one of the biggest ways it was actually life changing was to decide that I'm not going to do anything that I don't enjoy doing anymore. And at the time, I was doing coaching and dancing and teaching and doing all sorts of stuff. But, you know, from the archery perspective, you know, because I was splitting time on many different things. It wasn't like, I can totally focus on my long term plan yet, you know, even though certain pieces were falling into place. So that kind of was the catalyst back then, to say.. ok you have the time now, because you, you are limited in being able to do these other things. So focus on building that community up. And you know, what it was, is basically like, a plan, it was a several year plan three or four year plan to say, OK, here's where I want to be in three or four years with making progress towards us, because a lot of people knew me locally. I did a lot of work on people's bows, coaching locally, you know, different things. But to plan to build this community out was never limited in my head to just a local community, you know, just the people that knew me kind of thing. So, you know, it was a long plan, of you know... especially because I couldn't shoot anymore at that point, either. So I did certain things, to keep myself involved to build up the coaching side of things, to build up networking throughout the archery community across the country, to help build my program up, even though I couldn't shoot anymore, at least at that time. But I wanted to build up the coaching and community side of things. So it went from basically, that three year plan worked out really well. And it went basically from starting from zero to having a national presence. And you know, a lot of people around the country,coaching a lot of people around the country, and building up a very nice community here. You know, by the end of three years, it got to basically where I needed it to be, to really have the foundation in place to really now start making it grow bigger and bigger. So but it was a lot of a lot of background planning, a lot of doing things that didn't look like it was necessarily related to the end results.

Stephanie Allen: 38:18

And that's a key, because sometimes, this isn't even related. How's this even helping? cool.

Jeff Sanchez: 38:22

Yeah, so it was it was a lot of stuff that did not It was, a very interesting process.

Maren Oslac: 38:27

I see that as one of the reasons to know your directly look like building an archery community. But when it was time to utilize those pieces of the puzzle, they were huge and creating this community. So profile. And it's not that knowing your profile...you didn't suddenly start doing these things because you knew your profile. And it gave you more insight into ...Oh, that's how my brain works. And almost a permission to like, oh, I can... Oh, that's cool...Ya, I know how my brain works now. And I'm going to almost exploit that right, I'm going to dive into it fully. And, you know, you and I have talked about the fact that my brain does not work like that. So my profile is a Star profile. And we think very differently. And that's also been helpful to know that, oh, that's how Jeff thinks, and this is how I think. So even in conversations that we have, it helps me to understand, that's just a language that he speaks because that's how he thinks, and it's not the language that I speak because it's not how my brain thinks. So the whole communication piece... that's one of the reasons I wanted to bring up the profile. Because it does, in what I've seen in our life, it's really made a difference for us individually in understanding how we think ourselves, it also has made a difference in us as a partnership, and how we communicate with each other.

Jeff Sanchez: 40:23

Yeah, it is, it is kind of interesting, because both of us will kind of chuckle or laugh at each other a little bit. Sometimes when we know that, it's, you know, that's just the way the brain you know, like her brain thinks, or my brain thinks, and we understand the differences much better, since understanding our profile. And it's been many years, but nonetheless, sometimes I think we just laugh at each other a little bit, because we understand that that's the thinking process, you know, that's unique to us, you know, coming out. But it is, it has absolutely helped to understand what our profiles are, and understand... and like Maren said, to be able to exploit the benefits of being that profile. There are definitely limitations, you know, like, you know, because when you have a certain profile, that means you're not good at certain things, but you might be good at other things, right. So, you know, it's a benefit and sometimes it could be a detriment, when you have to deal with stuff that's outside of your main profile. But it really helps to have an understanding as to why you might be struggling in an area or exceeding, you know, or, you know, being successful in an area.

Stephanie Allen: 41:41

Yeah, it's good to go deeper inside to find out that... not trying to figure it out, but just understand, because when there's more understanding, there's more space, isn't there?

Jeff Sanchez: 41:52

Yeah. One of the things you know if we look at like the building of this community, to building up the archery teams, and you know, whatever, you know it definitely didn't start just with the archery stuff. I mean, this goes back years and years, when I was working downtown and stuff and, you know, running different IT teams in the trading industry and mentoring people and having teams to run and stuff. But that that profile definitely came into play back then also, to help the people that worked for me to put processes and plans together to basically make them happy, you know, to get them into roles where they can really thrive. Understanding even though I wasn't testing everyone, but kind of getting an understanding of what their profile is, so that I can now as in my profile Lord, start putting the pieces in place to help them move into areas that accompany or into certain types of projects, where they're going to be much happier, they can really thrive, they can lead projects and, and not be stuck in roles that are opposite of their profile that would just frustrate them. So using the Lord profile, to my advantage has been very, very useful. Throughout all the different career stuff I've been doing, whether it be on the IT side, in the trading industry, or with all the community and building up the archery community and stuff like that. So it's been very, very beneficial to really understand that profile.

Maren Oslac: 43:42

So I have, I guess, maybe a final question for you is, if you were to give leaders out there some sort of advice or something that you do, that that you find... you know what, I've found this really useful for myself. Is there something either one of those directions, that advice that you would give to someone who's coming up as a leader or wants to improve themselves as a leader?

Jeff Sanchez: 44:15

Um yeah, I guess it would go back to a couple of things. The one thing that I would really draw on is the advice basically, that your dad gave me, Maren's dad, and that is basically surround yourself with great people. And especially, you know, if you think of people if they work for you, or you know, or they're part of a team and you know, you're trying to get the most out of them...get great people. But as the leader, your job is then to do whatever you can to make them successful. And, you know, your dad was a amazing example to me, and and very inspirational to me to take that on, especially when I was in the IT world, and taking on bigger and bigger roles across the country and across the world running teams. And the other example I had of that was the boss I had for many years in the trading industry, he basically ran the teams that way, he put together some amazing teams of people. And we all absolutely loved working for him, and we're very loyal to him would work our butts off to make him successful, because he did everything in his power to enable us to be successful. And in the trading world, there's a lot of chaos, there's a lot of craziness to deal with. And he was amazing at shielding us from a lot of that. So as I grew in the trading world, and had my own teams that run across the world, and, you know, I would just look at his example that he set for me for many years that I worked for him to apply that to my team. So I had two amazing inspirations to draw from, you know, and then the last inspiration, you know, and this gets back to the trust thing that you're mentioning, Stephanie, even my dad growing up, he coached our baseball teams. And he had such an amazing ability to take any kid that all the other coaches didn't want, or had issues with, or the kids had issues, whether it be social issues, or getting in trouble at school, or in on the streets or whatever, he had an amazing ability to take these kids and start relating to them, and to get their trust, and to then put responsibility on these kids. And they responded amazing. Like, it was amazing how these kids responded to my dad, and how he got them to perform at levels that they probably never even knew what was possible. But one of the things we're building that trust getting back to that, I mean, trust really has to run through all this stuff. He would actually talk to these kids like they were worth something. You know? I actually go choked up thinking about it. But you know, it's probably the way he would relate and talk to these kids. It's probably something they've never had before. So when I look at those examples of Maren's dad, Mike, who I used to work with, or worked for, for many years, and my dad, you know, like, everything I'm trying to do is, you know, do what they would have done. Because they were so amazing at it. So, yeah, so it is it's that trust factor that really has to run across everything.

Maren Oslac: 48:38

That was so beautifully put. Thank you.

Stephanie Allen: 48:43

Thank you.

Jeff Sanchez: 48:44

You're welcome.

Maren Oslac: 48:46

So Jeff, if there were people who are interested in your archery program, where would they go to find out information?

Jeff Sanchez: 48:55

Okay, so yeah, if you're if you are interested in an archery program, learning archery understanding what the programs we have, you can just go to our website, it is: bowdoc.com If you are interested, or have any questions for me about anything that you heard in the podcast, you can email me directly at Jeff@bowdoc.com

Maren Oslac: 49:23

Well, I absolutely loved today's interview, and maybe just because I'm biased, but thank you for joining us. And thank you all of our listeners for joining and remember that you can find us at the TheSoulfulLeaderPodcast.com You can also find us we've got the soulful leader project. So our website for that is TSLP.life and on our Facebook page and our LinkedIn page at the Soulful Leaders. So thank you to Jeff Sanchez for joining us today and we will see you all next week on the Soulful Leader podcast

Stephanie Allen: 50:15

And that wraps up another episode of the soulful leader podcast with your host, Stephanie Allen

Maren Oslac: 50:21

and Maren Oslac. Thank you for listening. If you'd like to dive deeper, head over to our website at the

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Stephanie Allen: 50:32

Until next time...

Jeff Sanchez: 50:46

All right, thank you